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A simple, logical way to disprove "God."
06.11.03, 20:58:49
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Stated by religious people:
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God is 'all-powerful, omni-potent, omni-present.'
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Question: Is God powerful enough to create a rock that even he could not lift?
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Answer: Yes, but then it would void his power and dismantle existance.
Explanation: If he could, then he's not all-powerful, because he could not lift it; if he couldn't create it, then he's not all-powerful because he couldn't create it. |
Last edited by asdf : 06.11.03 at 21:02:32.
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Have you ever read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? That sounds similar to the philosophies of that book. (I'm not accusing you off ripping them off, just speaking my thoughts)
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"I refuse to proove that I exist" says God. For proof denies faith, and without faith I'm nothing.
"But" says man "the bable fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It prooves you exist, and so therefore you don't. QED.
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that" and promtly dissapears in a puff of logic...
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That was one of the best books ever written, and it explores alot of philosophies and thinkings like that. |
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Question - Would God be able to create a rock even he could not lift?
Answer - Its rather complicated actually...
Unless said rock was infinite, then He would be able to pick it up. However if he created an infinite rock it would be impossible to move it, as it occupies all space and matter. Infinite weight would be impossible without infinite size, but in an infinite lump of matter movement would be impossible for two reasons -
1) It already occupies everything ergo there is nowhere for it to move, unless there is an outside infinity. Which by its very nature means it isn't infinite.
2) If there were an infinite lump of matter it would be impossible to prove its movement. Without some yardstick to measure its movement against there is no way to know if it has moved. There can be no yardstick without an 'outside', something unaffected by the movement of the rock. But if there is an outside then the rock is not infinite ergo it cannot have infinite weight ergo it can be picked up by God at his assumed level of power. |
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Failed and weak, to darkness all
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using a paradox to sway the weak minded isn't the smartest thing to do, not to mention it's done rather often
not only can that paradox be solved, as paradigm shows, but there's something else to consider:
you can't say god doesn't exist when you restrict him with the laws of man. do you really think you can actually comprehend what god is capable of? you can't attempt to disprove something that cannot be understood by a human mind |
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| First off you'd have to define what your talking about as an infinite rock. If your talking about a rock with infinite volume there might not be enough room to measure, But that depends on the rate at which the volume of the rock is approaching infinite. However if your talking about a rock with infinite mass, that rock doesn't have to take up very much volume at all. Then it depends on the density of the rock. If the density of the rock is also infinite, then again it depends on the rates at which the density approaches infinite, and at which the mass approaches infinite. Anyways that's my 2 cents. |
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And your point is?
"If repeated often enough, a lie will become the new truth." Paul Joseph Goebbles, Minister of Propaganda, Nazi Germany
Disclaimer: All things that I say are prone to misinterpretation. If you do not understand the meanings of my sentences please contact the manufacturer.
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| well i have heard this question asked before in my church but i dont remember the answer |
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| once again, when you apply it too human laws and the laws of nature/physics/ this universe, it seems illogical, and yet we have not even the faintest idea of what is possible |
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"Small things trouble small minds"
"The only thing certain about the future is uncertainty"
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well i have heard this question asked before in my church but i dont remember the answer
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Then why post.
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once again, when you apply it too human laws and the laws of nature/physics/ this universe, it seems illogical, and yet we have not even the faintest idea of what is possible
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There are much actions that when you apply it to human laws and the laws of physics, it will most likely be illogical. But this is God we are talking about. He is all powerful, in the bible it says he gave powers to Moses which allowed him to open a way through the ocean for the people. If God can do that, then of course he can create a rock that even he wouldn't be able to lift. |
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i’m just a bad actor stuck with a ****ty script, All of my lines are cheap and the cast
is weak there was no music for the first time i got kissed, there was no femme fatal,
my mistress wasn't rich so i've been formatted to fit your tv screen, the film went
straight to tape, i'll bow out quietly. so quietly.
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