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Well, sadly, a lot of Jazz now, in an attempt to be inovative, it just ends up soundling like everybody warming up at once. That's where it sounds like you're just trying to play as many scales as you can in thirty seconds. But when that style is done right, it sounds like a conversation is taking place between the soloists. Sometimes one will step up and say their piece, but even then you have hagglers who want their say too, and then the conversation gets dominated by another oppinion on it.
But what's really great, is that they're all talking about the same thing, (If it's done right that is) and that thing is the piece they're playing. Many so called avantgarde Jazz players seem to forget that last bit and it just becomes whatever it becomes.
But yes, I know what you mean by a lot of Rock and Metal Music drawing off of Jazz for inspiration. They typically follow a similar form whereby you have the head and then people take solos. The usual diffrence of course, is that Jazz Solos are all improvised. Which is why you should always see it live. Performers will play better for a crowd. |
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| Yeah i see what you mean by everyone trying to get there solos down in 30 seconds and of course it will sound bad, in my opinion double solos hardly work, you need SOMEONE in the background to maintain the beat or it will sound like the 3rd grade kazoo band warming up. I think classical is the root for jazz and metal which is why we have so many similarities, i am talking about the real heavy metal legends of course. Take YNgwie malmsteen for example he has a classical cd with a symphony to back him up with his wild arpeggiated riffs, and he also has a jazz Cd with a smooth jazz band in the back ground a good one , there name has slipped my mind... But what i am trying to say is that metal legends somtimes take a jazz riff, add distortion and speed and all of a sudden its a killer solo, does anyone know what i am trying to say? |
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Lemme just interject with something that's totally off topic for a second. I just heard a Slide Hampton Chart played by a group called Gravity. I Highly recomend these guys, especially if you play a bass instrument. It will be very humbling. Six Tubas playing tight 13 chords and man, it sounds perfectly in tune. I don't know if you know how insanely difficult it is to do that, but anyway... Gravity. Listen to them.
Actually, I would say that nost music that's popular nowadays gets it's roots from Blues, which gets it's roots in Africa. Black american music really pushed the envelope in the last century and has given rise to all sorts of Styles. Blues, Jazz, Rock, which Lead to Metal, grunge, and so on.
And smooth Jazz.... Unless it's Miles being Miles, then EW! Miles can do it right, because when Miles plays smooth, it's cool smooth, like only Miles can do. But I haven't heard anyone who can reproduce that same edge he gets to his sound or the sheer coolness that is Miles Davis. |
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Ahh yes. lots of music is rooted and deeply rooted to blues, It's almost inevitable, but it's a vehicle that many musicians used at the beginning to express there emotions on there instrument. geez Jazz was created out of blue, in louisiana.. anyone remember the great pioneers. anyways if we are going to go back to the roots, I'd say that the root of almost all forms of music today came from .,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,,..,.(that's my attempt of a drum roll.) .,.,.,.,.. Church. yes boys and girls, church created the major scales for us and many many chord stuctures..
Ok pop quiz ladies and gentleman where go modes come from?
Oh and there are musicians that actually avoid playing any blues. Yeah like yngwie, Vinnie moore, jason becker, etc.. some of these guitarists said "Blues can take there scrawnny little asses and shove it..." no seriously they did....Anyways to get back on topic. Blues can be very basic, it's I think the easiest style for anyone to show emotion with, with little skill. But blues does has it's complexity, It's the process of taking your emotions and actually making them sound good, listen to some great blues players, steve vai (yes I consider him a blues player as well for he has many songs that fit this catigory). Gary Moore (caution do not see this guy live).. |
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In answer to your pop quiz, it comes from the gregorian chanting music. Originaly, they didn't have a tempered tuning system and so all tunning was based off of a C scale. All the modes are nothing more than a C scale starting with a diffrent note as the tonic.
The Tempered system came into play and the begining of the renessance and can anyone tell me what the first era of music to use this system was called? |
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was the tempered system not created and used by the early Cathedral music.?
Anyways I ment. Where did the names of the mode come from.? |
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| Well, the names of the Modes came from the first note of each scale. And yes, I think it was a monk somewhere who figured out the tempered system of tuning. It's funny to think that most of modern art and science is a direct result of Monkial Boredom. |
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Modes came from the names of greek provences in the middle east, that were alowed to use only certain modes in music. and the names were created to distinctly charaterize the provence for the use of these modes.. As you see in modern music and music everywhere that there is alarge influence in both the church and the Greek empire.. strange but interesting.
Oh and chaos lt. I can't seem to find gravity in my news group(don't shoot) but I get all these names like gravity kills.. gravity corp.. etc.. are you sure that that is the whole name.? |
Last edited by Stewmac : 11.28.02 at 23:46:54.
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| No modes came from diatonic scales they were created BY the greek dudes, trust me i know this , i have done music theory , also when is the banner going to be up? |
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