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Curious- Satanism
08.28.02, 06:26:07
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Alrighty, first off, let's NOT have a flame war by those who are religious on this topic. I would like to have a -clean- debate or discussion. Let's not turn this thread like the homosexuality one turned into... =\
So anywho, what is your idea on satanism? Granted, most of you will probably be disgusted by it and dismiss it as stupidity, and I can understand that perfectly well, I used to be (well, I technically still am) a Christian but I have moved towards agnosticism/aethism. I most certainly do not believe in it nor Satan, but I've always found the whole concept of Hell and everything... somewhat interesting. It's not that I was ever Satanic, quite on the contrary, I thought he was a pretty stupid thing/guy. The books that are floating around out there have turned out to be actually quite an interesting read. I've learned all kinds of things that really don't have anything to do with Satanism. While I am not a religious person any longer, the mythological stories and myths behind it all is rather facinating. I met a couple people who are like me in that they aren't Satanists/are atheists, but share an interest in the topic, and their books are quite interesting.
Since I'm an agnostic/atheist, I don't believe in a lot of things such as superstition and emblems and all that. I've always wondered where the 666 = the devil thing came from. I've heard various theories, but I have yet to find one that seems plausible. If I wrote 666 on my hand, I wouldn't really feel special or anything- 666 is just a number. What is the difference between 666 and 1? Or that and 182741894? The same goes with flaming pentagons, devil horns, devil smilies, etc. It doesn't bother me, I don't really care.
Phil Anselmo has a quote about it, I shall post it once I can find the right magazine in which he says it lol. It is somewhat similar to what I just said above.
So, any opinions? Remember, no flaming, a -clean- discussion please, thank you.
EDIT- This isn't to flame or undermine Christianity or any other faith, mind you. It's just a curiosity that I've had for some time *shrug* I'm sure if I studied Christianity or Islam it would be equally as facinating. Hmm maybe I'll go do that  *heads off to look up texts on Islam*
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I read a John Donne Poem about the seven stages of Christs life....seven being a holy number......Lucifer ( otherwise known as SAtan)was a fallen angel ...lesser being than christ....Hence the number 6...I dont know...just a theory i guess...
Myself im not a christian and satanism hasnt really grasped my attention that much...since the whole gothic phase that has gone on and is going on....There was a programme on here in england about teenagers and one of em wanted to be a witch.....Im thinking isnt it a bit outdated now...? I dont know...The popularity of BtVS and Angel i suppose has made satanism an in thing again...Hey i like the programmes too..and the topic of satanism intrigues me somewhat but now in this day in age ...does it have a place anymore...? |
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Well, Satanism is more of a self centered religion than anything else. It teachers you to only look out for number one. today's vision of satanism has really been confused with one of Aleister Crowley and the Church of Thelema.
Now, Aleister Crowley was once branded the wickedist man who ever lived, he's done numerous naughty things, but black magic, drugs, and sex were really his thing. He moved to Italy, there he established the church of thelema. The main teaching of Crowley's was 'Do what thou whilt, for love is the law'. Basically, your allowed to do whatever you want to do, his followers were told to take drugs, partake in rituals, and become involved in frankly bizarre sex acts (I won't go into them here, because I'm not sure what level of censorship this board wants).
Anyway, during the 60's many bands such as Led Zepplin and Black Sabbath were heavily influenced by Crowley (I think it was Robert Plant who opened up a store dedicated to his teachings). Anyway, these bands were in themselves hugely influential on the music scene, they were followed by many people who didn't understand the 'sex and magick' ideal of Crowley's, so this ideal became more of the 'death and satanism' ideal which came about in the 80's, and is what and that death metal craps banging on about now. |
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I. 3/4 Satanists are posers.
Thankfully, mainstreem satanism is simply a little shelter for goths and other sterotypes of people to hide. It's a banner of defiance against order and the beliefs of the church.. Most satanists are idiots, who don't even comprehend and know of satanic lore. One thing I can't stand is a person who can not defend there religious beliefs though logical statements.
Most 'satanists' are nothing more than teenagers with deep rooted emotinal problems. They hide under the guise of defiance like cowards, just to look diffrent. This statement is the truth, and not a flame. If anyone takes offense in it, I apologize.
Note :: I don't believe in revelations, and do not think any of the events I will mention before will transpire. The statements are just a quick summery of the teachings of the King James Bible. I am christian, and have very logical and intresting views about the bible.
II. Real Satanism - What they worship ,and how it is satanic.
Satanism has many forms, but the more cult like branches of it seem to revolve around the worship of the AntiChrist. What is the AntiChrist? The AntiChrist is a person who will trick the world into believing that he is jesus. Then when the people flock to him, and he has power over the world.. He will trick the world yet again and trigger the apoclolypse, or so it says in revelations.
The individual person of Antichrist will not be a demon, as some of the ancient writers believed; nor will he be the person of the devil incarnated in the human nature of Antichrist. He will he a human person, perhaps of Jewish extraction. This person shall descreetly preach the word of lucifer and the false profit.. Then the world shall fall in ruin, and christ will come save the just. The fires of hell will then consume the world for all eternity.
The number 666 is the mark of the beast, and in short is a mark that shows that a person worships the beast and the antichrist. No one knows why 666 is the number of the beast, it is one of the most contriversal subjects in the bible. The beast is a satanic entity, said to destroy the world and the souls of the men who bear his mark. It is not known what shape he will take, but he is also the antichrist.
The bible states that the mark of the beast will be a physical, probably visible, mark that the False Prophet (antichrist) will demand every man and woman receive on their right hand or forehead. The Mark will be related to both the "name of the beast" and the "number of his name" — "666". It will indicate that the individual willingly worships the "beast" the satanic Antichrist.
All those who bear the mark of the beast, will not recieve salvation during the apocolypse. In other words, the bible says they will die a firey horrible death and go to hell. ( No, I don't believe this is true )
The disiciples of jesus wrote most of revelations, ( John and Mark if my memory serves me correctly.). Real Satanism is all about the rise of the antichrist, and the worship and perperation for the day he takes a human form.
Revelations in A Nutshell -- ( This may not be 100% accurate, but it's really close. )
1. The world will unite into one nation
2. The AntiChrist will unite the world into that nation and be a savior and figure of great repute.
3. The AntiChrist will force all men and women to bear the mark of the beast.
4. Those who defy him will be outcasted, but the bible says faith in god and jesus can erase such a mark with ease.
5. Fire will rain from the skys and destroy most of earths population.
6. The horsemen (I don't know what they are really called.) will ride from the gates of hell, and slay the wicked who bear the mark of the beast. The beast will also devour those who bear the mark
7.Christ will come and save those who remained faithful to him, and give them everlasting life.
8. All life on earth will perish for all time.
III. Why Revelations will never happen, and satanists are as silly as uptight catholics who believe every word of the bible.
1. The world will NEVER unite to one nation.
2. It's against the laws of physics.
3. There are other religions.
..Whew, I've rambled on again. Sorry.. when it comes to religion and controversy I can talk for days =P. |
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| Wow...thanks Elvaan ....sure have enlightened me....But you dont think that satanism has a place today in our society...? Do you...i certainly dont....i dont believe in christianity either.. |
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It does, but true satanism is extremely rare and cult like.. Not to many people care enough about hateing christianity to a point they band together under unholy anti-christian cults. All religions have a place in society, they just might not be as popular as others..
..However, gothic nerds who act all satanic just to have the.. "IM K00L U SUX SCREWZ SKOOL & ANARACHY ROX U" look need to be shot on sight imo :/. They don't defend their views, or don't even comprehend what they are standing for. |
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There are many forms of Satanism, and the specifics and traditions of each are commonly debated and argued over. Religious Satanism is the belief in nonbelieving. They do not believe in any type of diety, but a lifestyle. They believe that they are nothing more than animals meaninglessly evolving on the planet, and that their own life and experiences are the only truth they'll ever really know. They do respect Satan, and sometimes, the egyptian god Set, not for who they are as dieties, but what they stand for: rejection of theistic religions. Satanists who do believe in Set or Satan as a living entity do not worship or pray to them.
I have to agree with Pojo, Satanism _is_ a self rightious religion. In Satanism the followers consider themself, the individual, the authority, not a god or goddess. They believe that they are responsible for their own redemption and life. Satanists respect life, not much else. Children and animals are considered the purest form of life, and are never killed or sacrificed. Satanists are probobly considered evil by most people with average moral standards because they believe in exploring the seven deadly sins and living out their lusts and desires. Almost all of their beliefs contradict the practices and rules of behavior found in christianity, and other religions as well.
The "pentagram", a pentacle with a goat's head drawn inside, closed in a circle, was not originated by satanists, but is the Sigil Of Baphomet, first used in the 19th century. Followers of Set simply use an inverted pentagram in a circle. There is also another satanic symbol which is an infinity sign with a roman (Lorraine) cross on top of it. It is used in the "Satanic Bible", otherwise known as Anton Szandor LaVey's Nine Satanic Statements. Since it was the ancient alchemical symbol for brimstone, commonly assoicated with the devil in christianity, people think it was meant to poke fun at the church.
The creation of Satanism is often mistakenly credited to Aleister Crowley, a magician who joined a cult known as Order Of The Golden Dawn, after becoming tired of the organized conservative christianity. The cult practiced things such as: Kaballah, a jewish mystical tradition, Rosicrucianism, a mystical blend of alchemy, Judaism, etc, Free Masonry, a man's fraternal organization, and Theosophy, the belief that a common thread links all religions.
As Elvaan has already said: after resigning from the Order, he joined a birish order of similar practices, and after that created the church of Thelema. Tabloid newspapers wrote stories of him in the early nineties entailing of orgies, use of illegal drugs, animal sacrifice, and an evil revolution, most of the modern conceptions of Satanism branched from this. It is believed he was attempting to rediscover the secrets of pagan and christian mysteries of the middle and near east, heavily incorporating sexual practices and magic into his religion, now known as The Law Of Thelema. He also produced many writings on Magick, a word used to describe ceremonial magic. Crowley did not consider himself a Satanist, coincidentally his beliefs were very similar to that of the diciplined religious satanist, hence some of his teachings are incorporated in modern satanist sects.
The true, unadulterated form of religious santanism was created by the mentioned Anton Szandor LeVay, who created The Church Of Satan. Much information and untruth has been passed through readily available literature written by christians about satanism. They are filled with biases and ficticious happenings, mostly stemming from the witch burnings in Europe before the 1800s. A dedicated follower, Michael Aquino separated from LeVay and the church after a disagreement, and formed the Temple of Set, another respected Satanism sect. Set's body of man and head of animal is supposedly where the modern form of satan is derived.
All in all, Satanism would be a great religion is it wasn't so heavily based on self pleasure through any means and such disregard for tolerance and honor. Cutting lose of morals I can understand, but I can't respect a religion that lacks any patience or dignity for others than themselves. Modern satanists use their faith in many anti-christian and wiccan rituals. They are very critical of all other religions, as they consider most of them hypocritical and conservative. Maybe this will clear up some of the myths and misinformation when it comes to religious satanism, as compared to gothic satanism, and other watered down forms.
I am not a satanist, and never will be. I only did research and was genuinely interested. Hope that grants you some clarity and satisfies your curiosity OWA. |
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Last edited by Mecanon : 08.28.02 at 14:53:22.
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| wow, that was alot of writing, but my post will be brief. I am a christian, and this post is in no way offensive to me. since most every part of this topic has all the answers to the questions, i'll just have to agree with you all. |
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