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Default  Sexual Orientation - Genetics or Influence
07.29.08, 09:23:34
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This is a topic that's well talked about and has been touched on in many conversations. I saw hints of it in the original Sexual Orientation thread, so I thought that I would start a new one to discuss this.

Sexual Orientation has been the cause of many fierce debates, civil rights conventions and even new laws in the states of California and Massachusetts. However no argument has been stronger than the one of where this all originates from: are people born this way or is it the direct result of cultural and religious influences?

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Default  07.29.08, 09:31:41
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Seeing as how I was raised Baptist, by parents that sheltered the **** out of me, and still knew I was attracted to both sexes by age 13-14, I really don't think culture has a lot to do with it. Obviously, for some who claim to be "bisexual", they're just doing it to be trendy or experimental and whatnot. But, those who are really this way are born with it and usually knew they were different before they really understood what "gay" and "bi" meant..
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Default  07.29.08, 12:24:06
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I know sexual orientation comes from influence. Many who are abused turn to homosexuality. Even who weren't abused turn to that sexual orientation. But all in all, it was influence.

If you were born with it, then how come there have been gays having their sexual orientation reversed? If that's possible, then there is no such thing as having it in your genes. Sure, your personality is in your genes, but that doesn't make you gay or straight. It's your own thinking, your mind that makes you think you were born with it.

There were gays turned straight and vice versa. Sexual Orientation is by choice, not genetics. Period.
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Default  07.29.08, 12:40:00
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I've never had doubt in my mind that those so-called "turned straight" fools are just deluding themselves. They want so much to be accepted, especially if they have religious backwards, they allow themselves to be brainwashed into being something they're not.

Plus, no one chooses to be attracted to someone, gay or straight. Unless you're gonna tell me that gay people "pretend" to be attracted to their significant others.

Not to mention the fact that no one in their right mind would choose to be a minority. That's just stupid.

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I know sexual orientation comes from influence. Many who are abused turn to homosexuality. Even who weren't abused turn to that sexual orientation. But all in all, it was influence.
The fact that your second sentence immediately refutes your own claim, I don't recall any studies stating abuse as a common cause of homosexuality. Unless your counting church-propaganda, which has no place in a science-based argument.
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Default  07.29.08, 13:36:45
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I think sexuality is just like taste in any other aspect of life.

Some people like apples from the moment they were born, some people detest apples since they were born. Some people learn to enjoy the taste of apples over time and some people suddenly don't like apples anymore.

The same goes for any other food, color, mood, weather, whatever, etc. And also for sexuality.
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Default  07.29.08, 14:45:55
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i second what niesl2 said. that is exactly what i was trying to say. but he said it better.

and winter, i guess your beliefs are based on science. mine's not. so i'm pretty sure our arguments are going to clash most of the time, and since that's the case, i'll let you leave it at that. =)
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Default  07.29.08, 16:40:41
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i second what niesl2 said. that is exactly what i was trying to say. but he said it better.
But, niesl2 is saying it's not a choice, but a change that occurs as your grow. That's still a contradiction to the your beliefs.

That said, I kinda of agree with this as well. Sexual urges are not something you are born with, they're something that occurs as you mature. Sexual preferences would come from that growth, as well. Not just gay or straight, but your general preferences of what "turns you on", so to speak.
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Default  07.29.08, 19:47:54
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influence. Not just for sexuality, but as people we are who we are based on our life experiences and the people and places we live around.

Sexual preference is a personality trait, and I have no idea why something like that would be programed into us through genetics. It doesn't make any sense.
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Default  07.29.08, 20:13:58
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Well, naturally and instinctively we're predisposed to find the opposite gender attractive for the purpose of reproduction; after all we are still animals at the end of the day. In the case of homosexuals and bisexuals it's either some sort of genetic flaw or the influence of society;