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Drafting Women
12.14.02, 19:49:30
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I'm curious as to how people feel about the idea of drafting women into the military just as men. This was an argument brought up in my English class and I was quite surprised to find that only I and one other person, a girl in fact, were in approval of this form of a draft. Let me make my case.
*If women are to ask for equal rights, as they should, is it not fair to ask them to share equal responsibility? I find it extremely aggravating that although women are to be on the same page as men, they are exempted from many of the things we have to do. With rights come both positive and negative consequences. It's an all or nothing situation. There is no in-between where we can step in and say, "You can vote and everything but leave the fighting to the big boys."
*Many argue that it is an act of chivalry to protect women from the harsh environment that war presents. Well, last time I checked, this isn't the 1600's. Men don't ride on horseback and kneel befoire women, ready to protect them from the entire world. Sheltering a specific gender from things we feel they might not be able to bear or shouldn't witness is degrading. It's similar to denying a child the privelege of seeing a rated R movie. "Sorry hun. You just aren't prepared for this."
*In fact, I had this discussion with my father and these are the points he made. He says that:
A. He doesn't feel that women can bear the stress that war will push upon them and that it is not safe to have somebody on the front if they are potentially unstable.
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B. In times of war, it may be too much of a hassle if military compounds become overcrowded and the women would have to bunk with men as well as shower. Supposedly, the women would make the men feel uncomfortable and that if she be placed into the same troop, she would only be a distraction.
I replied with this:
A. Studies have shown that women are less likely to snap under stressful situations. Doesn't that make sense? I do not know any men that could handle the excruciating pain of childbirth and the chaotic following years of caring for the children. Also, if mental stability is the key here, subject all troops, man or woman to psychological tests to determine whether or not they are fit to serve.
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B. If the comfort of the men, who I guess are of higher importance and must be checked with when making a military decision, is in question, then that's just one more thing they have to deal with. War is not meant to be comfortable, with bunks laden with silk sheets and down pillows. If there is a problem between men and women in a battle situation or such, go directly to the source of the problem...the conflict, not that Billy doesn't like Susie cuz she's a girl.
The only potentially dangerous crisis that I can imagine occuring by drafting women is the possibility of drafting two parents. But that should easily be prevented by either a gov't program to look out for these cases or notification by the one being drafted. A simple letter saying , "Um...my husband just got drafted also. That's a problem. Can't go. Gotta watch the kids," should clear this up, no? |
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Someone has to stay home, I'd rather it be the supposed more responsible and capable gender as you say. War is for drones, not for tacticians and cool heads, they spend their time in the rooms and assorted encampants strategizing, the grunts get drafted, and they do the fighting. Maybe sending random people into the fray of war is just asking for another Viet Nam, but this really can't apply, considering the grounds wars are to be fought on these days, that being by small task forces, long range missles, air strikes, and crafty espionage. There really isn't a forseeable reason for a draft, but if it were to be so, I'd rather it be specified for men. Besides, who said there's anything wrong with notions of chivalry? It's a dignified and charming practice compared to today's world of filth and indecency.
Rights really have nothing to do with it, the women can always enlist. It's really no different from narrowing out mental cases and convicted felons, society has just taught us something that is hard to unlearn, and that is that men are generally more comfortable and fit for battle. This isn't to say there aren't women out there who would be willing to plug some rounds into a guy, or step on a few throats, or to mercilessly drop napalm on an outpost of hundreds, but can you honestly tell me it's just as common as in men? Men and women are different, there's no denying that, and trying to completely equalize them is a nightmare, in more than one sense. |
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Well, I definatly think that where there ever to be a draft again, that women should be drafted as well. (granted, fewer of them would be qualified physically to be enlisted as a foot soldier. I, for instance, know that I would not qualify.)
But it's not a problem I think anyone will have to worry about. Wars are not fought en mass any more. I mean, really, when you can build missiles that can hit a dime at a range of a thousand killometers, you really dont need that many soldiers on the ground. |
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i don't think many women have what it takes to make a good job as a soldier or whatever, i reckon if they were to be drafted and go into a war, they'd make incredibly easy targets, and i dont like the idea of sending out a nations women to make them canon fodder y'know what i mean.
a lot of women would probally have trouble lifting up a gun let alone using it all day shotting people with it.
men and women are different, i think we were "built" for more physical work than women, that's why women can't really be builders, they don't have the strength in their bodies to cope with the heavy lifting-thats why they've made everything really light in the building trade to accommodate women after equal rights, but it also slows all the jobs down.
while there may be the odd butch woman that blurs the differences between men and women, the majority must learn to accept that we are not the same as each other-there are differences.
as such i don't think women should be drafted, also i find nothing wrong with chivalry, it's quite noble imo for a man to go off and fight, possibly lose his life-so that his wife or whatever don't have to know the horrors of war, i guess im a gentleman |
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I also find nothing wrong with chivalry but it is not the place of the government to force chivalry upon men at their will. Chivalry to me is opening door for a woman, uttering no vulgar words around her and following nearly her every order. But when something that has such a large impact on an entire nation as war does, it is in no way fair to say, "Well, the majority of you are too weak so we're just gonna go with the general assumption that you're not fit for war and let you gals stay at home, where you belong."
As far as using men and women as meat for other armies to blow to pieces, yea, that is oftentimes what happens. But I refuse to allow the government to tell me that it's better I die than a woman. Although I may feel that is the case in my personal life, I will not have that be mandated by a higher up. That's only one more case of the gov't trying to regulate morality on levels that need only be controlled by the individual.
And to the part about leaving women at home to watch the kids or clean the house, that's another area that you either need to be all or nothing on. If you feel that men are not capable of successfully taking care of their own household and children. If you feel that we are THAT dependant on females, drooling over ourselves and everything, I assume that in the case of the divorce you would give custody to the woman 90 percent of the time, no? If so, perhaps such a strange outlook on the ability to support a family based on gender is getting in the way of a logical viewpoint on drafting women. |
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| Women are always striding to make everything equal, well here they go i hope they are happy. |
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well i think the whole idea of women wanting "equal rights" has realy gotten out of hand these days- we aren't the same so we won't be equal...so while "Well, the majority of you are too weak so we're just gonna go with the general assumption that you're not fit for war and let you gals stay at home, where you belong."
may sound a bit out of order or whatever, it's pretty much the way it is...i mean if i was going to be fighting a load of people and i could choose someone to back me up, it wouldn't be a girl-firstly because i wouldn't like to see her get hurt, and secondly i dont think she'd be of ANY help to me AT ALL. women can't fight, it's true.
whil ei think women should get the bad things with the good in their "campaign" for equal rights i think there really are some things that should be different between us, maybe they should do some kind of service for the military to help out or something but i dont think they should be going toe to toe with the enemy in a war.
but at the same time im getting pretty pissed off that everytime you turn on the telly in the day theres some poxy talk show with women moaning about how al men are bastards and that and say how they are treated so unfailry when it looks to me like they dont get it too bad really...so if they want to ****ing moan maybe they should get what they ask for and then we'll see if that stops them complaining (not bloody likely)..
i thought it was funny when one of my teachers was saying how out of order it was that on the titanic it was women and children first to be saved or whatever- i mean if she was there i ****ing well doubt she'd be complaining about it at the time eh. |
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I think that drafting women into the army will devistate our forces and weaken our powers.. If women were to be drafted and not volunteered, then the military would be forced to create double standards, and the Men can get quite pissed off.
I was in the army for two years and there were women in my unite all most of them, not all just weighed us down. what happens If we get dropped in the middle of nowhere and given an oder to hike 15 within the next two hours. do you think that we would all make it.
Also favoritism was a very big issue, and so was our freedom of speach. All guy talk had to sieze every time a female solder walked in and if it didn't you'd get an article 15 or something really stupid for saying something like "jennifer lopez has a fine ass"
there are a millions of more reasons why women should not be drafted. but I'd say that the less women in the military will aid in a victory |
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| Seriously though, women werent meant to fight, its not in their blood why not come to grips and realize that ladies? Leave the fighting to us and dont join the military you are weighing us down and causing a major burden to the real warriors. Just do us all a favor and stay home. |
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